Every once in a while I get something stuck in my head that’s absolutely unproductive but I spend a whole lot of time thinking through. So here’s a question I was faced with recently. Can a story be considered good, have the right mix of elements that resonates with the readers and makes for a good plot, when it’s absolutely unmemorable?
I came upon this when I started up playing Max Payne 2. This wasn’t my first go round with the Max Payneiverse. I logged my time in with the first Max Payne, like 15 hours or however long it took to get through it. And that was an award winning game. Back in 2001, it was the talk of the town. The video games journalism town. It’s scummy and the family trees are all tangled up there, I wouldn’t recommend you visit.
Anyways, the first Max Payne. Most highly praised for its gameplay, atmosphere, and squinty mugshots, but more than a few people gave it props for its story as well. I played through all of it. I have memories of my impressions of the plot. But, in going to the supposedly familiar places, meeting all the supposedly familiar people, and killing a bunch of dudes all of again, I discovered that I don’t remember much of the actual events at all. I spent hours with it, yet the actual happenings of the story are a big void to me.
That’s not to say that it’s a bad story. Plenty of people had a good time with it, else it wouldn’t have gotten all those plotprops. The few memories I have of the plot are decent enough. I remember it being surprisingly down to earth compared to what else I was playing at the time, I remember being satisfied by the noir style telling, and I remember hating the Nordic theming at first but then absolutely loving it towards the end when I realized Payne is pretty much a historic berserker. But the things that went on to cause those impressions? No idea.
Part of that is just the nature of the beast. Max Payne pulls back some noir storytelling, and noir by its nature is very introspective, reserved, and doesn’t tend to lead to the big Aha! Moments that really stick in the mind for the long term. So the fact that a lot of it’s not sticking around may be a sign that it’s hitting the form it’s going for.
It may well be the type of story that only really shines on multiple retellings, when one’s had the chance to absorb more of it and read into it more fully. I’ve come across quite a few plots that require experience or a certain mindset to really get into.
In any case, I find it difficult to look back on Max Payne and evaluate what I went through there. Of course stories are subjective, and there are a lot of elements that can go into making a quality plot. Does memorability need to be one of them? If something was good while you went through it, even if it has no aftertaste, can you still consider it just as good after the memories leave? I find myself torn. To some degree, I’m pretty sure I enjoyed Max Payne’s story while I was playing. There were at least good points to it, and just because I don’t remember them doesn’t mean they weren’t there. But none of it stuck. I spent all that time with it, and I’m carrying none of it around with me. And to some degree, that has to diminish the experience once it’s over. Is it enough to make it all invalid?
Then again, a lot of this is me trying to internally evaluate a work that I have no memory of. I had my time with it. I may not of been the most engaged, but I know I had some fun, and just because I don’t remember it any more doesn’t take that away. Beyond that, it doesn’t matter to me now. Whether I can call the original Max Payne good or not doesn’t have an impact on me until I start playing the game again. We’ll see if a story can be unmemorable but still be good then.
I have a terrible memory so even good stories are hard to remember. Perhaps the game suffers from having a good narrative compared to other games of the time, but it has since been eclipsed making it less memorable years down the road? I wouldn’t know as I have never played a Max Payne game. I did watch the dull movie though. The film is unmemorable and bad.
Hard to say, given that I can’t remember the game in the first place. It’s not a very fantastic story, so I could easily see it getting pushed out of the way by whatever the blazes else I was playing at the time. Which would be a shame, as I really shouldn’t need all the fantasy trappings to keep a story in mind. From what I’ve heard of the movie, I imagine you’d be better off not being able to remember that plot.
I have the same feeling about Max Payne 1. i don’t remember much about it except the the final boss fight and that one particularly awful dream sequence. I don’t really know how I feel about that.
Max Payne 2, on the other hand, I thought left a much bigger impression. I can still very clearly remember a number of lines and scenes and levels from that game. Max’s final line at the end, in particular, I found to make for one of the most haunting endings of any game I’ve ever played.
That’s about as much as I remembered. I could call back to finding your family dead at the beginning, I think the same dream sequence as you, and one section where you’re hunting through a storage yard that I had particular trouble with. Looking up what happened now is a really trippy experience. I didn’t remember the whole drug conspiracy at all, had absolutely no memory of the final boss or her fight, barely remembered any of the leads, etc. Reading up on it feels a lot like just running into an old high school classmate and having no idea who the are. From all that I can tell, I’d really like to have picked up more about the game, but it’s just not to be.
I would have to agree, Max Payne 2 is a lot better at giving those moments, even being more poignant, than the first game was.